The US has warned its citizens not to fly on Indonesian airlines where possible, due to recent accidents and an operating level under what the US Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) declares safe. Here’s more from the Jakarta Post.
U.S. warns against flying on Indonesian airlines
JAKARTA (AP): The United States warned its citizens Tuesday against flying on Indonesian airlines following a string of accidents, saying the country’s civil aviation authority did not meet minimum international safety standards.
An Indonesian jetliner plunged into the sea from 10,000 meters (33,000 feet) on New Year’s Day, killing all 102 people on board. Weeks later, another plane’s fuselage split in half after a hard landing. And last month, a Boeing 737 careened off a runway and burst into flames, leaving 21 dead.
The Indonesian government has since carried out a review of its 20 carriers, concluding that none met all safety requirements.
“Whenever possible, Americans traveling to and from Indonesia should fly directly to their destinations on international carriers,” the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta said in a statement on its Web site.
It noted that the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration lowered its aviation safety rating for Indonesia from Category 1 to 2 - the lowest - on Monday “due to serious concerns” about safety oversight and operational control systems.
Dozens of airlines emerged after Indonesia deregulated its aviation industry in the 1990s, raising concerns that growth has outpaced the supply of trained aviation professionals, regulatory oversight and ground infrastructure.
It’s easy to criticize and one feels sorry for Indonesia a bit. A developing country struggling with poverty, corruption, all kinds of local tensions and poor infrastructure. The thing is, where foreigners might be willing to accept lower standards of service in a restaurant or shop, with an airline that can mean disaster. What happened in Indonesia has happened in many countries including the US. When budget airlines came on the scene, using third-hand planes, second rate pilots and average maintenance, accidents happened. I myself had the privelage of flying Ryanair from Berlin to London last summer. The pilot almost dropped the plane through the runway on landing.
So here in Indonesia how is it flying? In short I’d still say I favour Garuda when I have the choice and Mandala, as they are connected to the airforce, so hopefully have somebody who understands planes. Another thing to consider is the fact Indonesia gets more thunder storms than any other country, given its size and location, straddling the equator. Any way you travel in this country is somewhat risky. Don’t let that thought stop you coming.
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Per km travelled, is it safer to take a ferry than fly in Indonesia?
Thoughts please.
Michael
America, Greatest Country!
Let’s keep it civil. We’re talking about Indonesian airlines not Iranian nuclear power.
In my opinion flying in Indonesia is safer than taking the ferries, simply because the pilots, maintenance staff and owners are required by law to fulfill some safety proceedures. The ferries do what they like. Still, in the case of a disaster on a ferry, you have the chance of being saved if you can mange to stay afloat.
Ace Hardware sells American made life-jackets. If I was travelling the country via ferries I’d buy one.
Thank you Jonas and Nick. Yeah Eddie…let’s keep it civil, don’t have to be sarcastic on every subject.
Sacasim for some, reality for others
Indonesia is not Amerika.
Amerika warns everyone about everything.
The world is not Amerika although theyd like to think it is.
We all have a choice to fly with whatever airline we wish, Some may even wish to fly with their Ace Hardware lifejackets so when they crash into the sea they can use their apperatus on the next passing ferry.
is he the real eddi tansil i mean EDDIE TANSIL the riches indo man ???
LOL… for sure, thats why he have so much time to spam all over the forum HA HA..
Well at least 1 laugh a day, thanks to Eddie
EdDUH is his tag, I believe. He should be happy with this, given his own spelling preferences!
Check out this link http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20030916.@02
The Jakarta Post - “One of the big cases he handled was a Rp 1 trillion corruption case involving businessman Eddie Tanzil”
Eddie, is this you?
There was a rumour that Eddie was in Hong Kong soon after the disapperance..Another was that Eddie had been snuffed out by a secret Indonesian Hit squad.. Only Eddie really knows…
Since then Eddie has been spotted on various occassions throughout the world.
Maybe they could start a new thread Where’s Eddie?
“Yeah Sure
Amerika warns Iran not to have nukes because the Iranians dont wanna buy them from the yank tossers.
Amerika the most corrupt hypocritical fantasy land on the planet.
Viva Chavez ”
Oh is that the reason? Nothing to do with Iran’s stated ambition to wipe Israel off the map? Sure you aren’t living in the fantasy land?
Are you saying the United States is more corrupt (and hypocritical) than Indonesia?
At least Indonesia is honest about corruption.
Reiteration: “Amerika the most corrupt hypocritical fantasy land on the planet.”
Only Amreicans seem to dispute that fact and seem to have an inability to read between the lines where the Jews are concerned.
“At least Indonesia is honest about corruption.
Reiteration: “Amerika the most corrupt hypocritical fantasy land on the planet.”
Only Amreicans seem to dispute that fact and seem to have an inability to read between the lines where the Jews are concerned.”
So you admit Indonesia is corrupt, but that’s okay with you because they’re honest about it. You are a strange man. Compare doing business, being arrested, in America to Indonesia and you’ll realise how transparent systems are in America. America has flaws and there’s corruption in any society, but your assertions are laughable. Typical, shallow, asinine Brit’s opinion of America.
Yes everybody knows Indonesia has rampant corruption, no denial.
I dont remember saying corruption is OK.
Its about Amerika’s inability to admit it is corrupt.
Its foregin policy, its politics the list goes on.
What is laughable is the way Americans see themselves inside the wall they’ve built around themselves.
You implied corruption is okay in Indonesia because “at least they’re honest about it.” As if that means something.
There’s no point in me trying to convince you America is one of the least corrupt nations on Earth because you seem illogical and irrational in your arguments. However, I will ask why you uphold America to a higher set of morals and standards than to the rest of the world?
Being honest about corruption.” does not endorse or imply that corruption is OK. Duuhhh
Amerika Ranks 20th on Transparency Internationals 2006 Corruption Index…That’s behind European and Commonwealth Countries.
Top 10 or Top 5 Hardly. Sorry your blood stained ragged star spangled banner just don’t make the grade bucko
Indonesia ranks 130.
No surprise there…
As for holding Amerika to a higher set of morals and standards…huh You just don’t get it quarter brain. Jump in yer Detroit SUV go to Wal-Mart and get a six Pack of Buds return home and watch NFL on Cable whilst fondling yer gals plastic titties..
In a country where there is a gun murder every 30 seconds..That holds prisoners without trial for 5 years on questionable evidence, that invades sovereign countries on even flimsier evidence and whose leader won an election without the majority of the vote…What a Joke.. the list is endless…………
Back to the beginning of this thread “Amerika Warns” LMFAO
Get your own house in order before you start preaching to others.
It’s a subjective measure of transparency. The people behind it were against intervention in the Middle East. 20th put America in the top 15% worldwide anyway. You’re clearly a little biased in your assessment given your use of the word “Amerika”, like a silly little left-wing Brit who swallowed some Chomsky.
Your stats, especially for gun murder are questionable to say the least. America, however, is a diverse, complex country of 300 million. It has social problems no other country has to deal with. On the other hand, compare it to a country like the UK with higher overall crime rates, or Indonesia with widespread poverty and corruption and I know where I’d rather live.
America invaded Iraq because it routinely violated the conditions of it’s ceasefire. In the end the Security Council wouldn’t uphold it’s own sanctions against Iraq, showing how inept and pathetic it is at maintaining peace. Iraq has a much better future regardless now that Saddam has been killed.
I won’t mention Indonesia’s human rights record, or Britain’s shameful history. I’m not one to take cheap shots.
Stats for gun deaths at least 80 per day in Amerika, no matter how complex or socially inept a death every 30 minutes is still way too many.
Amerika invaded Iraq because the US administration is corrupt! Yeah Baby, Go Halliburton.
Iraq is better off in the long run without Saddam, is this a Sunni or Shiite view or an American view.
Hmmm and while were at it lets not mention Australia’s faultless human rights record that continues to defy gravity..
Yeah Sure
Amerika warns Iran not to have nukes because the Iranians dont wanna buy them from the yank tossers.
Amerika the most corrupt hypocritical fantasy land on the planet.
Viva Chavez