Transnational marriage a problem in Indonesia

Are you going to let Ika show off her diamonds?

Hey Nick,
Great Site,
Would it be the same if a western woman was to marry an indonesian man? Or do they have different laws for that?
You said that if a western man and an idonesian woman were to split, he would have rights to the child, is it the same for the indonesian man and western woman?.
Cheers
leah

Ika has access to the family jewels, she doesn’t need diamonds.

If an Indonesian man marries a western woman the kid is Indonesian, but cannot get dual nationality.

Not sure who controls the kid, probably the man.

Hmm..i am married with foreigner..just thinking of the future of my kid later:(.
My husband is German, n I am Indonesian, we live in Belgium. I don’t know that my kid later can be an Indonesia or not! Okey, let say my kid can be Indonesia, because maybe why I live in Belgium, so I must follow Belgian rule, which is the woman n man have the same right, but later when we want to settle in Bali..ahaa..I think come again the problem.

So Nick..can you advise?

thanks

Leah,
The man would generally have the child/ren, if the wife is Western & husband Indonesian & living in Indonesia…
If living in the west the woman generally gets custody of child/ren.

This is for all of you who are obviously puzzled with situation pertaining to children born of mix marriages. Indonesian citizenship is granted by (1) birth through the paternal line (Dutch Law since the colonization 350 years ago). Indonesia follow continental European Public Law, it has nothing to do with government mistrust or whatever you want to call it.
(2) Naturalization, i.e. when a child reach the age of 17 or become married whicever come first.

Whereas in country like USA, a child born on American soil automatically gets U.S. citizenship, unless the child is born to a foreign government official who is in the United States as a recognized diplomat. By the way this is just 1 of 4 ways to obtain U.S. citizenship.

If you decided to stay permanently in Indo or for those that are planning to relocate to Indo, please stop being confused and face the music. There isn’t much you can do as far as making their life easier between now and when they become 17. You are going to have a lot of paperwork for every little thing your children need for example attending school (public and private) except international school and the list goes on.

Kiki,

There is a movement in congress to ammend the Constitution so that birth-right citizenship no longer applies if one or both parents are illegal aliens.

The movement is gathering momentum because there are many people in both parties that feel that constitutional clause is being abused by illegal immigrants.

With the level of paranoia floating around in America these days I would not be too surprised if it passes.

There us also a law being pushed for next year that will make it mandatory for all employers to verify with government agencies the authenticity of papers submitted by a job applicant.

The USA is turning into a “Papers Please” nation and I fear nothing will stop that fate from coming true.

Carlos,

I’m sure am glad to hear the push to ammend the Constitution. We are living in the part of the country that is heavily inundated with illegal alliens. Some of them are hard worker but most are just freeloader and drug dealer. Hope to see it passes sooner than later.

hello,
i am in need of some legal guidance and would appreciate your help. How does the Indonesian Law regard a marriage between an Indonesian and a foreigner, that was conducted overseas but was never reported/validated to the Indonesian government (or consulate) within one year of the marriage? Is the marriage considered void in the eyes of Indonesian law? If we were to get divorced, do we need to file with the Indonesian government or just file the divorce with the US government? I have been trying to get a confirmation by doing research on my own but cant seem to get a definite answer.
Many thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Neil (lost)

Hi Neil

Found myself in the same situation some years ago.

The marriage is only legal in the country it was performed. Unrecognised in Indonesia.

If you want a divorce and your wife / partner is absent and unable to sign the documents in your country you will have to advertise in national papers for a set amount of time to pass the legal criteria.

My Fiance is a German, I’m an Indonesian. What documents do we both need to get legally married?

I’m married to foreigner last year and signed the paper in Thailand. Will i lose my Indonesian citizenship? I’m also wondering if i still able to buy property in Indonesia?

business question? ok this has nothing to do with mistrust to my current gf (an indonesian). we’re just new, so I guess jumping into marriage is not “really” a safe action at the moment.

I am actually thinking of putting up a business here in Indonesia. However, their laws is complicated with regards to a foreigner planning to put up a business here. It is possible, but I believe that getting the approval is the hardest way…unless I can afford to grease it..but not a good idea.

So I am thinking if marriage to her (an indonesian) would help making it easy to put up a business here.
How about my rights as to owning the business?

What if, since I basically don’t know much about my gf at this moment, in the long run we have to get a divorce, what would happen to my business?

what are the rights that would protect a foreigner from getting a divorce and going back to his country with an empty pocket?

I MARRIED A THAI IN DENPASAR, BALI ABOUT 12-15 YRS AGO. WE CAME BACK TO THAILAND HAD SOME PROBLEMS SPLIT UP AND I HAVE NOT SEEN HER IN OVER 10 YRS. WE ARE NOT DIVORCED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET DIVORCED. HOW TO GO ABOUT IT FROM THAILAND?