Many people who have been following the trial of convicted Bali drug-trafficker Schapelle Corby believe she is innocent. Indeed Schapelle has always protested her innocence. So far the evidence has been one sided, with a big bag of marijuana being presented by the prosecution, and nothing except hearsay and wild speculation put forward by the defense. Supposing we were compiling evidence for Schapelles appeal. Where would we start? I am not talking about screaming, She is bloody well innocent you wanker, that might count for evidence at your local pub, but not in a court of law.
The inquisitional court system they have in Indonesia means the judge directs questioning and decides what evidence is relevant. Since cross-examination by the defense does not happen, there is little chance of exploring discrepancies in prosecution witnesses statements. Basically the judge needs hard evidence.
So back to our question. Where would we start and how would we go about getting real statements from people who count and evidence that might swing a judge?
Thoughts that came to me were:
Chances are slim, but if Schapelle is innocent like so many people think she is, then someone else knows the real truth. Lets hope someone can shine a light on more evidence to help this poor girl.
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Many people keep saying Australians should boycot Bali. I admit, that was my thought too, but we should not punish the Balinese people. And let’s face it – the Indonesian authorities would probably be very happy if tourists stopped coming to Bali. I say we should boycott the airlines she travelled on. Did she go Qantas? Then lets boycott Qantas until they hunt down and find the person/people who did it.
And then I hope they put THEM in an Indonesian gaol to rot.
Kim…
I wish you could read this news in Portuguese (Just read in a Brazilian newspaper).
A South African + an Austrian were caught with 13 Kg and 8 Kg of cocaine, each one, at the Sao Paulo airport.
They will get like 2 years of jail, and then be freed, probably less. But, like these, there are dozens of cases each month, and they don’t seem to diminish.
Shouldn’t the law be more strict, then?
9 kilos of hemp takes up a considerable amount of space. How could one not know their was more than a boggie board inside ?
What bugs me is they have denied her the presumption of innocence. Notice how the judges look at Corby, with no sympathy whatsoever for the girl. She is clearly a trophy defendant targeted by a bunch of heartless prosecutors.
This is not a fair trial. What does a country like Indonesia know about justice anyway? I say everybody should boycott Bali. It could be you wrongfully facing life imprisonment or death in Bali today. Its too dangerous and unsafe.
And what does a country like Australia know about justice anyway?
Nick,
Lie detector tests are inconclusive, unreliable, and inadmissible in most courts of law.
Yep, it would be great if the “real owner” of the drugs spoke out, or if the villainous airport worker who allegedly planted them fessed up. But for now, as a legal matter, she is guilty as charged and what we all might think won’t change that. This is for an appeal court to decide.
This whole Corby thing is definetly designed and executed to make people fight each other, anyone who logically observe the whole thing will definetly know that.
The same goes for the Bali bomb, the Australian Embassy bomb, Timor Leste’s ‘liberation’, Iraq’s ‘liberation’, Indonesia’s ‘liberation’, the Guantanomo Bay incident, and so on.
This sort of thing is capable of making some people fight each other due that some people seems to be ignorant on some things and don’t realize that the people who are currently in controls of the Indonesian government are the same ones who are currently in controls of the Australian government and other ‘official’ governments in the world.
These same people also controls mass media around the world, big tourist companies, big airline companies, human rights organizations, ‘terror’ organisation, anti-’terror’ organisation, drug makers, anti-drugs organizations, and so on.
If you follow ‘their’ words, sure you wouldn’t find any connection between all of ‘their’ ‘proxies’. However if you use your own instinct (and not the instinct ‘they’ installed on you), you will know that all of them obeyed the same master and all of them are just mere ‘proxies’.
Personally, I don’t care on whether Corby is innocent or guilty. That’s none of my business or problem.
It’s her business, it’s her problem, it’s also the business and problem the people associated with the whole thing (the baggage handlers, the airports, the airline companies, the courts, and so on).
Ask yourself, if this isn’t your business or problem, why should you be all concern about it?
The problem with the world today might not be people not caring about other people, but instead more about people messing around with things that aren’t their business in the first place.
Now… What about this so called drug problems?
Easy, decriminalize drug making, dealing, and trafficking. That would have eliminate this whole thing. Interestingly, it’s only after the ‘reformation’ that Indonesia’s drug laws become stricter.
Perharps Corby should have made a plea to the former President Suharto to bail her out? Assuming that she don’t want to be proven guilty or serve time, maybe she was threatened to ‘accept’ the verdict guily to save her family back home from suffering (maybe someone back home have a case against her family?), or maybe coming back home and living back home would be a more scarrier experiences (Indonesia is where many people escaped to when they’re in trouble, not the other way around), or maybe she think can make more money by playing the innocent victim, and so on.
It would have been much better to make a plea at Suharto than to make a plea at Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono who is only a mere weak stooge like George Walker Bush, John Howard, Tony Blair, and so on.
As for what happened if there’s a boycott on Indonesia and/or Bali.
Australia got lots more to lose than Indonesia should things gone for the worse. Sure both countries are capable of living on their own, especially Indonesia with lots of natural resources and people (Indonesia don’t need tourism or even foreign debts… er, I mean ‘aids’, those things are usually force feed by foreign parties), but Australia would have their routes severly disconnected.
I don’t know on why some Australians gone nutty of the whole boycott thing, either for this one or another or another or another.
Are some of them trying to make people fight each other? Or are some of them aren’t actually Australians and/or have any loyalty toward Australia and therefore are trying to make Australia lose a lot? Or some of them lack common sense? Or are some of them are just plain on too much drugs and/or alcohols?
Nick,what you said is so true.Why did they not do that to prove her innocence?What is the customs officer trying to hide.We here in Aust
know she is innocent.Bali is going to be hit very hard by this.Already many have cancelled their holidays and people who have been to Bali before have sworn that they willnever return.I feel for the people of Bali but this will be the only way that Aussies can get their message across. Send her home
We, or they (the defense team) should start by getting the best lawyers on offer. There are some top flight Aussie QC’s ready to go apparently; of course they would have to get permission to plead (have right of audience) in the Indo court which as we know with Indonesia would not be easy. Then on appeal the fact that these idiots at the airport did not adopt proper fingerprinting procedure would hopefully blow the prosecution case to pieces. It is not so much about the quality of the evidence as the quality of your lawyer..
i wish everyone would stop arguing about her guilt or innocence. personally i think she is innocent, but that’s not the real issue. the issue is that everyone deserves a fair trial… and she did not get a fair trial. the obvious stuff ups by the indo authorities and then what should be considered as contempt of court by Linton Sirait definitely detracted from any chance of a fair trial.
and lets face it… we can boycott qantas all we like and it won’t make a difference to schapelle… like the indo’s are gonna care?!?! boycotting bali is the only way they will see how serious we are.
FREE SCHAPELLE!
Nick i agree with the points you made. For a start Schappelle Corby may be innocent, but the defence team have to prove that and basically there was not enough evidence in her favour to swing the judges. There is a lot of strong feeling over this case, but everyone should remember that she was caught with the drugs in her possession and it is up to her and her team to prove her innocence. Not as you say Nicko for some geezer hanging on to a bar who is saying “bloody wankers all corrupt bunch of tossers”. Unfortunately this is no good in court folks. I reckon she is lucky she never got a more severe sentence and was only saved because of the feeling over this case. If it had of been some bloke from Nepal with no support from the public and a shit defence team he would have been getting more holes in him than a golf course.
Regs Spark
Thanks God you all won’t come to Bali! So we from Jakarta can enjoy it better without worry that the hotel, the beach, resto, and so on will be full with you all. Room will be much cheaper, it’s fortunate! Bankrupt? Why should we care? It’s owned by the corrupt members of Suharto regime along with your millioners, I won’t give a damn on that. Not to mention that you’ll give more opportunities to Japanese and other nationals to enjoy our Bali! Schapelle??? I should propose her
Hi Nick
As you probably know if you want anything done by the police in Bali you got to pay them, so why doesn’t some generous expat reading this site pay a good policeman to track down the real culprit. Indo police track criminals like bloodhounds given enough incentive. I don’t know anything about the case but I wouldn’t be surprised if some ‘Kuta Cowboy’ she once met on the beach had something to do with it.
Hugo
INDONESIA DOES HAVE THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, the same as Australia. But when you’re found with 4 kilos of Mary Jane in your luggage the prosecution has a prima facie case.
The legal system is a blunt instrument in any country and there will always be some doubt, but decisions have to be made. She has been found legally guilty in a court of law, and the verdict would be the exactly same if that court had been in Australia.
Get over it Australia!
Hmmm, It say’s a lot -that mail from “parama”.But why blaming only Suharto? I thought all Indos are corrupt.It’s their character.Same goes for the slymie Jonny Howard.He should know better than wasting billions of dollars to Indonesia,they wouldn’t say thank you in anyway.Boycot Quantas? I like that,but even if you fly with other airlines -it’s still the same drug-gang who loades the planes (Quantas)
SAMPAI JUMPA
Let us for a moment believe that Corby’s claims are true, that an Australian in Australia placed the drugs into her bag in an Australian airport for transportation to another Australian airport to be removed by a fellow Australian baggage handler. Said Australians therefore know that (a). They have blown a domestic drug deal intended for Australia’s streets and (b). That a fellow Australian is innocent and is rotting in a foreign jail. Said Australians have had seven months to come clean and free a fellow innocent Australian from a foreign jail and from their collective consciences. These Australians however have remained steadfast in their silence, condemning a fellow Australian to 20 years of foreign incarceration.
As much as every bogan out on the street is shouting for a boycott of bali, I am finding it difficult to understand their logic. Oh yes, it was the balinese that placed the drugs in her bag. It was the balinese that had not stood up for the Australian for seven months knowing all too well that their drug trade had gone bust, it was those evil balinese street merchants and hotel cleaners that have framed Corby through their silence.
Had any foreign national been caught with drugs entering this country and claimed that one had placed said items in their bags, would Australian custom officers react any differently? I doubt Aussie custom officers would have a quiet chuckle with the accused smuggler and let them on their way. The real evil are those Aussies that if we take Corby’s words as truth, indicted her to a life of incarceration based on their cowardice. The only logical step that the general public can take is to Boycott Australia!! Ban Australia now for sending this girl to her hell!!!! Boycott Australia!
Anyway, why does it take the imprisonment of one white girl to call for boycotts of Indonesia when tens of thousands of indigenous and other non-jihadist Indonesians have been raped, mutilated, disembowled, de-limbed and beheaded ad nauseum by the jakarta jihadists. Is the fate of one girl so much more important than the perpetual slaughter of non-muslims in Indonesia, or are Australians only concerned with the plight of their own innocents?
Proof that Corby is Guilty:
http://indcoup.blogspot.com/
Dave, it was a joke. Surely we’re happy to enjoy and share our Bali with Australian friends. And I am sure that a lot of us are so grateful for what you’ve done to tsunami’s victims. But don’t ever think that because of that very simphatic generosity you guys have a very right to tell us what to do. Even though we are a country with high corruption level, which I admit but deny that it’s our character, still even SBY couldn’t interfere with the court. Australians must know that, and I do believe same goes with your government and your court. How ignorant you all are if you don’t know this and think there’s a possibility to do that. And I suppose that you all are more educated than us to understand the very nature of that.
Last but not least, I personally (and I’m sure many Indonesians do) thank to you all Australians for all what you’ve done to tsunami’s victims, it surely means a lot to us. And I hope that the friendship between 2 countries would last not only between 2 governments but also between 2 societies though we’ve through many difficult situations before. Come to our Bali, enjoy it without thinking that we hate you guys since we, FYI, actually are so pissed off also by those extremist bombers bastards.
If you are interested in a detailed rebuke of the evidence put forth by the pro-Schapelle camp you can view the analysis here; comments are welcome.
Her claim that baggage handlers possibly tampered with her baggage is not refuted by this recent article in The Australian on 5/31/05
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15460691%255E601,00.html
Qantas and the Government down-play report because it implies airport security is lacking. A terrorist could use the same procedures to plant a bomb. Corby would not know any of this at the time she was arrested because the report is confidential.
Wow Nick! 89 posts on the guilty post and only 23 on the innocent one. If nothing else it shows the following you have. I, like everyone else apart from the lovely Schapelle herself, don’t know whether she is innocent or guilty however I respect the fact that we are all entitled to an oppinion and whether it be the one we agree with or not, personal attack is not the way to go. I respect your opinion Nick and feel that the evidence is not in her favour. Like another of our media people put it, we have not heard all the evidence and even the majority of the media contingient don’t believe her to be innocent. I live in my own litle “trees and flowers and happy endings world” but I am still dubious that if she looked more like Renee from the Bali nine, she would not have had so many convinced of her innocence. As I said before it is only opinion, who really knows for sure?
Many people keep saying Australians should boycot Bali … WELL I FELL THE SAME WAY BECAUSE IF IT COULD HAPPEN TO SHAPELLE THAEN IT COULD HAPPEN TO ANYONE TRAVELING THERE…. I FOR ONE WILL NOT BE GOING !! DEBBIE
Hi parama,It’s not really us who tells you what to do.It’s that little LIAR Jonny Howard.He told the Iraqi’s that they have chemical weapons but hasn’t told them where they supposed to be. Never mind,but the thing which makes us upset is the sentence people like Amrosi gets-compared with ,let’s say Corby.The Judge surly wants to make a point against “invading” australians,but ignoring all the points which speak for her is not really fair.Just because the drugs are in your luggage -doesn’t make you automatically a addict.TRY THIS ,throw some drugs into that Judges frontyard and call the cops.Ask that dickhead if the frontyard is his property .If yes -then the drugs are his too .Right ?
All of you claiming that she was convicted so we all need to move on need to consider something.
The judge basically came out and bragged that anyone accused of dealing drugs in Bali would be convicted by him. That was NOT a fair trial. 500 trials and 500 convictions was something he was proud of.
Everyone points out that they have a democratic society and a judicial system similar to ours. The truth of the matter is that you can have all the legal mumbo jumbo you want written into your system but if judges are there to convict anyone that comes into their court then the laws are useless.
I do not intend to boycott Bali over this situation, but I respect the right of anyone else to choose for themselves what they will or will not do.
But how about considering this. If you were currently spending time in Kerobokan jail [justifiably or not], then presumably the prison guards and other officials and also your fellow inmates would be predominantly Balinese. How do you think they would feel if the actions of your sympathisers were causing economic hardship to their friends, family and neighbours? And what could perhaps be the result in their behaviour towards you?
Whatever you think about the verdict and/or the sentence, how about allowing the appeals process and any other legal avenues to run their course.
Trying to exert economic pressure on another country in order to persuade them to do you a favour is simply an overt form of attempted bribery, something which many of us are happy to frequently accuse the Indonesian government and people of.
Schapelle’s defence team has launched their appeal and as suspected, the prosecution will also launch an appeal – for the sentence to be upgraded to LIFE!
Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Do not blame the Balinese, the Indonesian judicial system, judges or anyone else. The drugs were in Corby’s bag. Very convenient to say “someone must have planted it there” Well surprise surprise, what else are you going to say under those circumstances?
She has been shown already to lie about her previous use of drugs. Even her father has a recorded drug conviction for Mary Jane. But guess what? The drugs he was arrested for were, according to him, someone elses too.
The sentence is manifestly excessive by our standards and therein lies the dilemma. If she wanted to be tried and sentenced by our standards then she should have been busted on the Gold Coast, not a foreign country.
Just to make matters worse, today someone sent a package containing biological material to the Indonesian Embassy in Canberra.
WELL DONE AUSTRALIA! You morons have just sealed Corby’s fate.
[/]I see stupid people!!![/i]
She is definitely guilty, and the trial os very fair.
It is a very cheap bullshit to say that someone else put the drug on her bag.
Get it over !!!
Now what I’m always afraid of has been proved. Someone sent a package full with anthrax bactery. Good, because now, you give a wake up call to the extremists and give them a reason to act. What an idiot! And Corby’s fate? You may say she’s die rightnow.
Mark, I just browse all Indonesian big media, and all put the news on this biological weapon as a headline in their website, no wonder it can be a headline in their newspaper/television tomorrow. Sh*t! You morons were lucky enough along with your insults on us since we’re too busy with the bomb in Tentena to pay attention to. I am a moderate and hate conflicts with others, but now I even want a death penalty for Corby!! Can you imagine what’s extremists reaction??? I hate this stupidity! I hate her who fabricate all of this!!! Bye2 Corby, see you in HELL!!
Kunjaya,
Please do not think that the opinions expressed here are representative of how all Australians feel about Indonesisa.
Sure the sentence handed down, in our eyes is very excessive. However most of us would like to see the course of diplomacy and international mediation take it’s course rather than the rantings and ravings of the few here. In fact, I’d lay a carton of Crownies that most of those supporting a boycott never have and never intended to go to Bali anyway.
Good to see also the Perth barrister telling that fool Bakir to quote zip your lips unquote. Appears that his bragging about financial backing for Schapelles case is bs. Just about all of it was provided by the government.
Kunjaya,
Please do not think that the opinions expressed here are representative of how all Australians feel about Indonesisa.
Sure the sentence handed down, in our eyes is very excessive. However most of us would like to see the course of diplomacy and international mediation take it’s course rather than the rantings and ravings of the few here. In fact, I’d lay a carton of Crownies that most of those supporting a boycott never have and never intended to go to Bali anyway.
Good to see also the Perth barrister telling that fool Bakir to quote zip your lips unquote. Appears that his bragging about financial backing for Schapelles case is bs. Just about all of it was provided by the government.
Karl and others,
Surely I never think that some harsh comments here reflect what Australians think on us. In fact, I have many Australian friends and I even have cousins half Australian/Indonesian. I am sure that they would never give a harsh thought like that. I know sometimes I loose control myself, especially after I read about that biological material. What make me angry is more to the reactions I can imagine from the extremists. I hate them! I hate conflict with Australia! This must be a perfect time to tighten the relationship between 2 neighboors. Not only Indonesia asking for help or money but more into a business way that may profit both side. Hate and outrage aren’t necessary, what for? But this case make me sick for I care of my country and I know dealing with those bastard stupid extremists sometimes quiet frustating. It is good, FYI, to know that after Bali bombings there’s no place in Indonesia for those stupids. But dont wake them up for any sake! and give them reasons to live among us.
Kunjaya,
Thank you for your understanding. Please, please let Indonesia know that we (sane Australians) do not blame the people or laws for what has happened.
I hope that Schapelle’s sentence is either quashed on the evidence provided by the defence or if she is guilty on appeal that diplomacy and sympathy from your government will see it’s way to allow her to maybe serve time in Australia.
She is gaining no benefit whatsoever from threats of Bali boycotts, ridiculing the Indonesian judiciary or sending toxic parcels to their embassy in Austrlia.
GROW UP AUSTRALIA!!
“Shang-Hai’d in Bali Hai”.
I am an honest person. However I can not risk such a “set up”. I can’t imagine what it must be like rotting in a Bali Ghoulog for the rest of my life. It must be nasty like in the movie set “SAW”.
Indo-chineese are not into humanitarian treatment of prisoners. Just look at their “Kangaroo Court Trial” for Corby. That is full of phony posturing and a predisposed verdict. You could not give me a ticket to that 3d world monkey ass’s island of hell.
Frank,
I think the writer of the following article had you in mind when he wrote it:
Corby and the mob
Andrew Bolt
01jun05
AND now to the verdict on the Schapelle Corby case. I find the defendant guilty of xenophobia, spite, boorishness and a self-righteous tribal hysteria.
No, I don’t mean Corby.
I’m referring to the weeping and bellowing mob that is demanding we do all it takes — even starve the poorest Indonesians — to free this convicted drug trafficker. “Our” Schapelle.
What a shock to see the beast of mob rule roar like this, and in support of a woman who seems on the evidence more likely to be guilty than she’s painted.
Yes, Corby may be as innocent as she says. But picture how she must look, and how we all now look, to an Indonesian, whether a judge or a citizen.
Here is a surfer girl who worked as a bar hostess in Tokyo’s nightclub area, flying into Bali for reportedly the fifth time in six years.
(Corby, a student beautician who’d scraped up cash from working at a fish-and-chip shop, told 60 Minutes she’d been to Bali “five or six times since I was 16”.)
Customs officials screen her bags and detect something suspicious. They watch her, and later tell a court she seems nervous. Her bodyboard bag is more than twice its usual weight, bulging with an extra something the size of a stuffed pillow.
Actually, she says later, she’d only dragged her bag, and had so much other luggage she couldn’t tell its weight was unusual, or that there was anything inside but a bodyboard and flippers. Yes, well.
Two police and two customs officials agree on what happened next. They say Corby’s brother James carried the bag for her to the customs area, where officer I Gusti Nyoman Winata asked her to open it.
Corby zipped open the front pocket. Now the main zip, demanded Winata.
“The suspect (seemed) to panic,” he later testified.
“When I opened the bag a little bit, she stopped me and said, ‘No!’
“I asked why. She answered, ‘I have some . . .’ She looked confused.”
ABC’s Lateline showed Winata re-enacting Corby’s lunge to stop him opening her bag. He seemed as honest as Corby does, and said he had no doubt of her guilt.
Winata looked inside and found 4.1kg of top-quality marijuana, stowed in two airlock plastic bags, one tucked inside the other.
What is it, he asked?
“It’s marijuana,” the officials heard Corby reply.
Keep thinking how this all must look to an Indonesian. Who would you believe?
Think how it seems when the marijuana turns out to be hydroponically grown, and worth anywhere up to $80,000 in Bali, where it is prized by expatriates who are sick of the weak local weed and feel safer buying from a tourist. Big profits.
Keep picturing. The Indonesians learn that Corby, although having no criminal record, comes from a wild and woolly family.
One of her brothers is in jail for burglary and stealing, her mother is on to her fourth partner after having six children by three men. Her father had a minor conviction some 30 years ago for possessing marijuana.
Sure, none of that makes her guilty, but how would all this make Corby seem to an Indonesian? Here’s a tip: Not like she came from the responsible land of the straight-and-narrow.
I T gets worse. Corby’s defence team is soon headed by a salesman who looks like a spiv and is a former bankrupt who still owes creditors plenty.
Her main defence witness becomes an alleged rapist flown in from a Melbourne jail to tell how he heard some crook who’d heard some other crook say Corby was unwittingly carrying drugs for crooks operating at the Brisbane and Sydney airport terminals.
With Australians like this behind Corby, it’s a wonder the whole country wasn’t tossed into the cell with her.
The judges are then asked to believe these unknown smugglers took the marijuana into a high-security area at Brisbane in easy-to-see-through plastic and popped it into a random bag to be flown to another high-security area in Sydney.
Why the smugglers would do that, rather than simply drive the drugs down to Sydney by car, all safe, no one can say. That they then let their valuable drugs fly off to Bali is another mystery.
No wonder our own Australian Federal Police Commissioner Mick Keelty dismissed Corby’s theory as “flimsy”. Corby’s judges must have thought her team took them for idiots.
Idiots? They soon learned plenty of Australians took them for far worse. And now it was not Corby on trial, and losing, but Australia.
In one heady spasm, hundreds of thousands of Australians became certain that Corby the beautiful battler was in fact innocent.
Suddenly she was the star of a reality-TV Perils of Pauline — complete with cartoon-like big breasts, every-woman prettiness and more tears than a soapie. It helped the plot that she was repeatedly filmed hands bound and besieged, pale in a jabbering, jostling crowd of brown foreigners.
Damn those natives. “The judges don’t even speak English, mate, they’re straight out of the trees, if you excuse my expression,” raged 2GB Sydney fill-in host Malcolm T. Elliott.
“Whoa, give them a banana and away they go.”
Others screamed that the judges were lying Muslims out for revenge (in fact, the chief judge was a Christian, and the other two Hindus).
Newspapers attacked Indonesia’s courts as corrupt and their jails as temples of “gloating sadism” where there was “little sympathy of foreigners, for which you may perhaps read Christians”. Save “our” Schapelle from the demon heathen!
No surprise, then, that Indonesian officials here were bombarded with so many threats and insults that Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer had to plead for them to be left alone. What would we say of Indonesians if our own diplomats were monstered like this?
Now Corby’s defenders demand we boycott struggling Bali. Actor Russell Crowe, among others, even warned Indonesia to remember we gave money for its tsunami victims — as if we only gave charity in exchange for passes out of jail.
Sick, but the feeling has grown. The Salvation Army, out on its Red Shield appeal, had to promise not to send donations to Indonesia. Let their poor suffer for “our” Schapelle.
Meanwhile, radio hosts insisted the Prime Minister call the Indonesian President to fix things in court for Corby, as if such interference wasn’t plainly corrupt.
Worryingly, even senior politicians lost their heads in the hysteria, with Justice Minister Chris Ellison vowing to try bringing Corby home in a “one-off” prisoner exchange. The other 150 Australians in jail overseas should get breast implants.
HAVE we lost our heads? Are we really such a vile rabble?
What must Indonesians make of this hissing mob that threatens their diplomats, vilifies their country, blackmails them with aid and treats their judges as the corrupt playthings of our politicians? And all this for the sake of a convicted drug smuggler who seems quite probably guilty, and only possibly innocent.
Even our whinges about their drug laws must seem bizarre. Guess who truly has the worst laws — Indonesia, which gave Corby 20 years’ jail for having 4.1kg of marijuana; or Victoria, which meanwhile gave a mere 12-month community service order to a teacher found with 29kg — and let her keep her teaching licence?
So how must we seem to Indonesians? Like barbarians, or even terrorists, and it’s hard at the moment to think them very wrong.
Hi Nick,After reading the comments of some people l can see that a lot of what is being said is throught anger and frustration.But come on Aussies there is no need to be so rude.Everyone is entitled to their own opinon.I feel that Shapelle is innocent but that does not give me the right to blame every Indonesian or boycott Bali.My friends in Bali will always remain friends.I will still be going back to Bali
next week.
This one maybe heartless, but I found it so funny and a creative one, check this out:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/schapelle/
Just a couple of questions…
1.. Where does Mercedes and her Balinese husband live?
2.. Where is their surf shop?
Thanks
Good point Karl. I am afraid what i am going to say is not going to go down well with the Corby possee. She is 100% guilt as sin and there never could be a case as so clear cut.
I mean come on folks, there is not one thread of evidence in her favour. I still cant get my head round how easy the Australian Corby possee are led uop a garden path and fed bull shit. Yes the sentence was heavy, but that the way Bali handles convicted drug smugglers which is basically what Corby is.
Mocking the Indo judicial will only make sure Schappelle comes out looking nothing like she does now. IN fact if the pro-CORBY possee dont stop kicking up so much fuss she will be coming out on a zimmer frame. The best thing everyone can do is put up and shut up and try and make her stay easier by way of visits and treats sent in to her. All the proc-CORBY posee could instead of boycotting Bali, fly out there to give her a visit and thir support. By boycotting Bali the pro-CORBY possee are basically saying they will never give her a much needed visit. So stop the nonsence pro-CORBY possee and start helping her out instead of putting the nails deeper into her coffin.
Regs Spark
Very rational and well explained, Karl, Mark. Happy to know you both.
Mark / Kunjaya,
I can accept no compiment for my post above. I merely copied and pasted it from a news article. It does however reflect very clearly how I feel about this situation.
ps. Can’t wait to come back to Bali
“somebody at a barbeque said the best thing to do was to send in some renegade sas boys in to get her out. its probably not the best thing to do politically but it seemed the spirit of the times and i thought it would make a good song. here is that story.”
http://www.mp3.com.au/track.asp?id=107678
What a load of wankers.!! Some of us realise that Scapelle is probably guilty, she does’nt deserve 20 years except for having a bunch of retards helping her………… ( including her family )…as for boycots , well we should boycot anything to do with Ron Bakir who is a low life piece of shit…and they should also look closely at her sister who is definitely a pot smoker..( I have smoked with her )…the family ARE drug dealers in QLD.
The family is well known on the Gold Coast as drug dealers. The drugs may not be Schapelles (Thats where she tells the truth) but she does know who owns the drugs…… Her sister Mercedez and her husband Wayan. Friends of mine have been to a number of there BBQs on the coast and Mercedez and her husband got of their face.
i have just come back from bali and i had the best time ever it is a buitifull country with beautifull people. being there made me realise how wrong us westerners are. we live our lives with so much greed and ignorance. i saw some very sad sites over there people that have been taught by us westerners to be greedy like us and build hotels and golf cources for our enjoyment.denying themselfs there old way of life ( you cant grow rice on a friging golf cource) now we all want to boy cot it and live in fear like a bunch of yankies. well i say to hell with all you people who wont help suport a people who almost rely on us to survive. no bombs or drug smugglers or meadia BS is going to stop me living my life the way i want to. if all you people want to live in fear good luck to you living behind your closed doors under your bed never experiencing life. but leave the balinese people alone most of them dont even know who shapell is. yes there is corruption in there government but its not the big guns we hurt by boycotting its the little locals that rely on us to eat and feed there children. before you comment on something all you know about is fed to you by media BS go and see for your self live life. talk to people. dont jump to conclusions fed to you by fear. the only one who knows if she is inocent or not is her. its sad yeh but leave the little people out of it.
hats off to you out there who understand what im trying to say and to hell with the rest.
So I guess with the defence’s list of requests to the Australian Government to produce the person who allegedly put the drugs in Schapelle’s bag – Her mum and dad might be heading back that way soon?
Funny how you all judge innocence and guilt. Yet say nothing on procedure.
http://www.fugly-bali.org/schapelle-corby.html
Funny how rules are applied, see;
http://www.travelforum.org/bali/messages/43137.html
You know, if you don’t want Indonesia to be so stiff with its sentencing, remember how Australia treats, say, Indonesian fishermen in our waters.
Secondly, stop simply saying ‘free schapelle’ and ‘she’s innocent’ when 99.999+% of you are not qualified to make a judgement as you do not, and probably never will, know the entire story.
“FREE SADDAM”
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