Bali quiz: Test your knowledge

can you please help me? do any of you know the name of the jewelry store opposite ramayana hotel on jl kartika plaza? the jewelry store is right next to sakura cd/dvd shop. i am trying to get a hold of their email or number so i can contact a friend i met who works there. thankyou for your help.
also, would any of you go back to bali after everything thats happened? i sure would! think of the people!they are so in need for tourism! TERRORISM WONT STOP US!DONT LET THEM WIN!

Nah, nobody wins, everyone loses.

OK.

If as Jihadists their objective is to explode bombs and kill poeple they have failed in their Jihad because firstly this will increase political and religious opression the purpose if militant jihad is to stop political and religious opression, secondly those they have waged war on have not attacked Islam another fundamental failing in their Jihad, and of course just by wanting to carry out their attacks they have failed in the main meaning of Jihad as a mental struggle of course their behaviour is a complete failing.

Then if perhaps you were to look at it from the point of view of the theoretical aim of fundamental islam in the region to form a pan SE asain islamic state again these acts will continue to see that goal failing.

“Dumb Dumb”, wow, you certainly have excelled yourself this time Tonie baby. I am obviously incorrect because an internet article says there are some muslim extremeists who want to destroy infidels in every way possible.

No shit sherlock. Of course I prefer to make my judgements of Islam with regards to the meaning of Jihad based on study of the Koran, although I am sure it is far more correct to study random internet articles. Still wouldn’t worry tonie most of the world bases their beliefs on incomplete understading, half truths, rumours and what we are lead to believe in the media.

Anyway rather unwittingly you have put your finger on the problems today with Islam and fundamentalism, and how Islam itself can and will be adjusted to suit the aims of a few that speak only for themselves and their own interests, and how the words of these few can become so powerful in the minds of so many. Because the effective basis of Islam is that it is the word of God, and that the Koran should be read as such, Islam lacks a living theology and of course has a predominantly rote learning system of a book which contains many messages of love and peace but also of hate and violence which increases as the book progresses which unsurprisingly matches Mohammeds life.

Come now tonie, you really shouldn’t get so upset after all it is just an internet forum, and thanks for pointing out my lack of commas hahahaha.

Anyway if you do insist in going round in circle, firstly “there’s no such thing as a fundamentalist muslim” no, no of course there isnt’t tonie baby.

As for the rest of your comments please re read my last paragraph on the previous post it really is the whole crux of the problem and why you get to read comments like that in the press.

Also the muslim world is not silent during attacks you just don’t listen in the right places, however, the way in which they deal with attacks to me at the least does show a significant lack of accountability, but that is another discussion. You simply are not getting this at the moment, (although that doesn’t really surprise me) If you really want to understannd you need to study, of course if you just want to continue hanging round on blogs all day getting angry and not really understanding what is going on around you, please continue, you are doing an excellent job.

As for “By killing westerners in Bali, muslim extremists have clearly succeeded in their aims.” No As i said previously if their actions are in the name of Jihad then no they have not. If they are to further the cause of Islam then no they have not. If they want to free Islam from opression then no they have not. If they want to form an Islamic state in across SE asia then no they have not. If they just want to be mass murderers then yes obviously they have, but by definition that means they are no longer Jihadists.

“No muslim leaders condemn attacks against the West”
Incorrect. Certainly not, all but certainly not none either.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1058/is_16_122/ai_n15674430

“The Koran implores muslims to kill all infidels”

Yes, In parts, but if that is their aim then they haven’t succeded have they? Because you, at the very least are still alive.

However, the terroist attacks take fundamental Islam further and further away from everything else it is trying to achieve.

Toney is write no matter what his words is gospel like koran

Tony,Andy,Boyo and co… You have posted on this page and none of what you say has anything to do with what Nick has put, as a quiz for a bit of fun….Do us all a favour and exchange your email address and you can correspond that way without disrupting this site. PERGI ! !

Stavros,

I agree. Tony and Andy are both prolific and valued contibutors to this blog. But this is the wrong section to post their comments.

Boyo is just a stupid human-parrot spitting out everything Tony says. He brings no added value to this blog.

Value i do bring, telling yuo Muslim eastern fucekers that Toney is the true vlue to this blog!!

“No-one likes the truth.”

Especially not you tonie,

Anyway where does 200 years come from, try 500, dumb dumb , read about the golden age of Islam.

As for there being no Islamic fundamentalists try reading a dictionary. It would seem you have an incomplete understanding of it’s meaning. If there were no fundamentalists in Islam, then there would not be a problem with the Quran and the parts were it suggests murder it acceptable or don’t you quite get that.

Stavros and jakarta Hilton, I apologise if the dialogue between Tonie and I has diverged from the Blog and this post in particular and hope it has not annoyed you too much. So hopefully to bring this to some sort of conclusion to our silly argument Yes the Islamists succeded in murdering westerners as you have suggested but they failed in there other objectives.

So the hate continues. Everybody loses.

Ohh, come now Tonie, you beat me again indeed, hahaha, well if you consider always having the last word as winning then I guess you are a winner, and you have been boring the Bali blog readers with that ability for some time now.

I told you in a previous post not to base your understanding on random internet articles but it seems you have no wish to learn. What the article talks about happening 200 years ago and Islam becoming “2nd rate” in the western sense at least, are 2 comepletely different things, but you would have to study the history of Islam to understand that. I had hopes that perhaps we could enter a debate into the reasons for the decline of the pre eminence of Islamic Science, philosophy, intellectualism and Art perhaps a subject that would not bore the rest of the blog readers to tears but of course I realise that is beyond you. Your rationale would make the Aboriginies “1st rate” before the europeans arrived.

Anyway, I thought you might suggesting fundamentalism could only be used with regards to christianity, thats why i suggested you use a dictionary. You see language is always evoling, regarless of a words etymology or the fact that it was singualrly representative of something in the past it may have multiple meanings today, and sometimes even new words are made up! Anyway check out these definitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism

http://www.answers.com/topic/fundamentalism

I had hoped that perhaps you were getting at the fact that fundamentalism is a term applied to Islam by the west, not by Islam, because it could be argued that all muslims by definition must strictly adhere to the koran and a proper discussion could have developed. But again it wasn’t much of a hope.

So yes, as I said before the Exteremists have succeded in killing westerners so if you want to consider that as success that is your choice, but their goals are far greater than the murder of some westerners and in that they are failing.

And if you want to count waking up every day festered with hate as winning then please do so, as it would seem that this is what you do every day.